33 Responses to "Sources of misogyny in Islam: not from the Koran. Though the sex life of the “Prophet” is another issue"

Peace
@perceptor, you are writing distracting information.
first of all, adonis is not “changing” and “revisioning” islam or comitting bidaa. he may do so in the eyes of some but actually he is only applying forms of exegesis and criticism that were known in islamic traditions for centuries.
i can give you loads of examples from renowned islamic scholars of medieval times etc. whose opinions and ways of criticism were not less “deviant” than adonis´.
then, on to your distracting information:
i am not sure where you get your material from but it does definitely not look up to the standard of traditional islamic scholarship. Quoting ahadith that are only deemed “hasan” (good) from limited and open to critique sources to make your point does not suffice. If you would be able to quote ahadith that are deemed “sahih” (sound) and maybe even mutawattir (reportedd by several narrators) from a certain range of established sources and not in contradiction to the Quran, then we can start a serious discussion.
Do you even know what a “hasan” (good) hadith is and which place it has in Muslim lawmaking and what the difference is to sahih or mutawattir ahadith?
The prophet most definitely forbade raping captive women and he did not practice sex slavery.
Firebombing critics of Islam is definitely not the sunnah of the prophet. When Muhammad (s.a.s.) was once forced out of a small town by people throwing stones he only prayed for mercy and guidance for this town. Finally triumphing after years of defensive war against his most bitter enemies, the elite of Makkah, and establishing peace in the Hijaz, he declared a general amnesty against all of his former enemies and in tha hadith and the quran there are numerous verses and reports that tell us that forgiving is better than revenge.
Once there was a poetess who was supporting Muhammad´s enemies, writing ugly verses against the prophet, probably much uglier than todays caricatures. When a Muslim warrior finally fought these enemies and captured the woman he punished her. But Muhammad severely rebuked this warrior, told him that punishing this woman was wrong and that her tongue was her lawful weapon just as the swords were lawful weapons of the warriors.
I know that now you might try, again by quoting single and open to critique sources, to give me counterexamples to this.
But I can assure you that I, a believing, thinking and free Muslim woman, will be able to deconstruct everything you have to say because Muslim tradition has always had the goal and the means to identify the true and positiv and to discard the false and misleading from our own ummah.

Leyla,
You are saying, ‘My mind is made up. Don’t confuse me with facts.’
You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to invent your own facts.
Hearsay of hearsay of hearsay is not ‘fact’…it is hearsay. All hearsay must be corroborated. The hadiths are extremely contradictory. Which one is authentic. Pick according to your taste. This is called subjectivity.
The internal evidence in the hadiths that contradict orthodox views such as yours will not go away by wishing, so you are retreating into obscurantism, aren’t you?
Have you ever drunk camel’s urine? Why not? Is it too insulting to your intellect? Such hadiths undermine the credibility of the rest.
Bukhari was a political hack who worked for Caliph Abul Abbas ‘The Butcher’. The Butcher murdered 90 members of the Umayad royal family after promising them safety. Do you believe a single word from a psychopath like this? Do you think Bukhari put anything in that The Butcher disliked? I doubt it, because Bukhari had a long life.
The hadiths are politically motivated hearsay.
There is no way to ‘identify the true’ because the source texts were all destroyed. What remains is politically correct propaganda of the day.
A woman who accepts the hadiths must have real self-hatred, enjoy being repressed and being a second-class citizen.



P.S.:
“Men are superior to women because Allah has given them more preference to women … etc.”
You chose a highy biased translation of this verse which will not seem obvious to anyone speaking Arabic.
These first words alone…there is no word for “superior” in it and also none for “more preference”.
Yes, there is a certain range available in which these words can be translated but “superior” and “more preference” are very farfetched.
A standard translation would be: “Men are responsible for women because Allah has given them more provision and physical strength….” And even this translation would be eloquently challenged by some contemporrary female Muslim scholars (yes, there have always been female scholars in Islam!) .


I agree that Islam is a misogynist system through and through. The system was finalized by the Abbasid family which successfully led the Islamic world from 750 to the 1200’s. They created the Koran and collected the Hadiths…this period of Islamic history was a river of blood in which the borders of the empire expanded to Spain and the borders of China. The first Abbasid Caliph was nicknamed ‘The Butcher’. Charming! The Abbasids were reknowned for their large harems…proof of their misogyny. The hadiths collected by Bukhari, Muslim and others can be given only the smallest credence, since they were politically motivated to support the Abbasid claim and life-style. There is no saying who is the source of the Koran…the Koran is a jumble of texts, devoid of context. The voice is constantly changing so we have no idea who is speaking. Certain things are approved, then disapproved in another part. Without the politically motivated hadiths and Sira, the Koran has no chronology or context whatsoever, except that of the religions of Syria. The earliest Korans are written in the scripts found in Syria and Iraq in the 750’s. Women do not exist in the Koran except for the pure Virgin Mary. Apart from her, the women in the Hadiths and Sira are mostly appendages and toys of men. I doubt they can rehabilitate Islam. By removing all the hadiths you personally don’t like, you bring all the other hadiths into doubt as well. Well that happens, there is no Sunnah and no Mohammed. Just a rambling, confused Koran devoid of context.


The misogyny of Islam is incontrovertible and it is in Islam’s DNA.
It can never be removed.
Bukhari took less than 2 minutes per each hadith. Some scholarship! That is merely subjective, whimsical, spontaneous. There is no scholarship in Bukhari whatsoever! Scholarship takes time and effort. What Bukhari did was based on criteria other than real scholarship. Why did such a huge number of hadiths claim Abu Abbas (Mohammed’s uncle) as their source. Obviously, to support the Abbasid dynasty.
Forensic does not mean ‘orthodox’…it means scientific. First throw away your orthodox PREJUDICE and FOREGONE CONCLUSIONS, then look at every detail with scepticism…then you will start to be scientific.
A fanatic refuses to be confused with facts, because his/her mind is made up.
Another word for this is ‘obscurantism’.
Are you an obscurantist?


Islam is the only religion that has rules for rape.
Tabari IX:
22 “The Prophet continued to besiege the town, fighting them bitterly.”
25 “By Allah, I (Mohammed, the prophet of Islam) did not come to fight for nothing. I wanted a victory over Ta’if so that I might obtain a slave girl from them and make her pregnant.”
How soon may a captive woman be raped? On the same day according to the Sira: Ishaq 758 – Dihya had asked Mohammed for Safiya, and when he chose her for himself Mohammed gave Safiya’s two cousins to Dihya in exchange. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims. Ishaq 759 A man said, ‘Let me tell you what I heard the apostle say on the day of Khaybar. He got up among us and said: “It is not lawful for a Muslim to mingle his seed with another man’s [meaning to have sex with a pregnant woman among the captives], nor is it lawful for him to take her until he has made sure that she is in a state of cleanness [not having her period].
As long as the kafir woman was not pregnant or having her period, the Muslim can rape her. Of course, a kafir should not even see the Muslim woman, hence, the veil, but a Muslim can have sex with a captured kafir woman. This is as good an illustration of Islam’s dual ethics as any other.
Islam is the only religion that has rules governing rape. The fact of the existence of rules for “correct” rape shows that rape has Islam’s full sanction, a sanction given by Allah’s Messenger in Koran and Hadiths.
Ask-Imam:
“Islam ensured that the slave girl’s duties were not restricted merely to domestic chores but also gave her master permission to copulate with her. This concession created an atmosphere of love and harmony between the slave girl and her master. Islam thereby raised the status of the war captive-maidens close to that of wives. It was a psychological cure to her grief-stricken heart, being deprived of her family and thrown into the hands of a strange society.”
http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=5482
How can a modern woman defend an inherently misogynistic system like this?


Official Approval for Raping Kafirs
Muslims jihadists are encouraged by Mohammed to have sex with the captured women, whether they are married or not. In the following passage, Ali, Mohammed’s cousin and son-in-law, just finished a relaxing bath. Why?
‘The Prophet sent Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and . . . Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus).’
What was Muhammed’s response to the person who hated Ali for this sexual act?
‘Do you hate Ali for this? . . . Don’t hate him, for he deserves more than that from [the] Khumus.’ (Bukhari59.59.637)
In this passage, Mohammed agrees that captive women are part of the one-fifth of the spoils of war and can be used as sexual property. Ali is a Moslem hero. He is Mohammed’s cousin and the husband of Fatima, Mohammed’s daughter by his first wife Khadija. The perfect prophet does not scold his son-in-law for having sex with a slave-girl…he approves and says Ali ‘deserves’ more sex slaves than this!
Mohammed gives his full blessing to the rape of kafir women as a well-deserved reward for jihadists.
There is no doubt about the validity of this hadith.


Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: that while he was sitting with Allah’s Apostle he said, “O Allah’s Apostle! We get female captives as our share of booty, and we are interested in their prices, what is your opinion about coitus interruptus?” The Prophet said, “Do you really do that? It is better for you not to do it. No soul that which Allah has destined to exist, but will surely come into existence.”
Sahih Bukhari 3:34:432
The concern here was not to lower the price of the human property by inseminating it. Pregnant slaves were a liability. Mohammed says nothing against rape, thus approving it. He launches into a confusing discussion of fatalism, instead.
Rape of captive women is accepted as normative Islam.


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A sincere difference of opinion is not a lie or ‘hate’, but a sincere attempt to discover the truth. The search for truth must be rigorous, or what you are promoting is weak and fragile and not worthy of anyone’s attention. Since Islam is allegedly ‘perfect’ it can never be improved…so you resort to ‘revisionism’. You overthrow the writings of the consensus of Islam and proclaim that now only in the 20th and 21st century have we ‘rediscovered’ the ‘real’ Islam. All previous generations were ‘misunderstanders of Islam’. Only you have a clear understanding that was not available before. This is called revisionism.
Revise this: ‘Women are domestic animals.’ – Mohammed’s last sermon


Mohammed was the hadiths while he was alive…Mohammed was the Koran when he was alive. He did not write down the whole Koran because he needed constantly to revise it in light of new political needs. His socket puppet said whatever was required at the moment and then claimed it was ‘abrogation’.
The most repeated phrase in the Koran is ‘obey the prophet’…is though he were merely a general or a warlord. The Koran has virtually nothing of the biography of Mohammed. You cannot ‘obey’ or ‘imitate’ Mohammed without the hadiths, most of which are extremely suspect. Moslems are hoisted on their own petard, looking for certainties and finding myriad textual contradictions, troublesome misogyny, xenophobia, racism and savage cruelty in the hadiths.
Revisionism is the only way out.


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HER NAME WAS AISHA AND SHE WAS A VICTIM OF
THIGHING = MUFA’KHATHAT
Literally translated, it means “placing between the thighs”
IMAGINE!
Imagine a 50 year old Arab stripping a 6 year old child naked and putting his “willie” between her thighs and wanking himself off; squirting his cum all over the child’s naked body!
IMAGINE!
Imagine this now 53 year old Arab having full, penetrative sexual intercourse with the 9 year old child and shooting his “load” of cum into her small vagina, shouting, “Allah Akbar”!
IMAGINE!
Allah says in the Quran:
(Sura 33:21).
You have indeed in the Messenger of Allah an excellent example for him who hopes in Allah and the Last Day, and who remembers Allah much.
In this verse Allah instructs Muslims to follow Prophet Muhammad who was an embodiment of the great values and manners of the Quran. He gave the best example for mankind in human history. Many Muslim writers bear witness that Prophet Muhammad is the greatest man in human history.
Sura 68:05
And thou dost, surely, possess sublime moral excellencies.
There is no “broad” or “narrow” reading of the Quran, as The New York Times and countless other organs of Western Islamophilia would have us believe. A Muslim is not free to believe or do what he wishes. The basis of the social and legal order and obligation in Islam is the Quran, the final and perfect revelation of Allah’s will that is to be obeyed by all creation. (Surah 4:105)
The Islamic law, the Shari’a, is not a supplement to the “secular” legal code, it is the only such code and the only basis of obligation, because a
Muslim’s only true allegiance is to Allah, and to Muhammad:
“He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah.” (Quran 4:8)
Islam is a revealed religion, strongly focused on its grounding in history, in the historical person of Muhammad, his revelation and his example. Events as they happened, with all recorded or alleged words and deeds of the Prophet, are the foundation of the faith, law, and social convention. Even his apparently trivial actions and utterances were passed on as rules and mode of conduct, in accordance with the Quranic statement that Muhammad is “a beautiful pattern (of conduct).” (Quran 33:21)
His sayings and acts guide the lives of all true Muslims to this day, including his rape of enslaved girls and women and his rape of a prepubescent “wife.” Muhammad offers the eternal model of behavior for every little detail of everyday life for all time.
That Muhammad’s actions and words, as immortalized in the Quran and recorded in the Traditions, are frankly shocking by the standards of our time and punishable by its laws goes without saying. There are hundreds of contemporary Western apologists, however, who argue that we must not extend the judgmental yardstick of our own culture to the members of other cultures who have lived in other eras.
Even in the context of seventh century Arabia, however, Muhammad had to resort to divine revelations as a means of suppressing the prevalent moral code of his own milieu. Indulging with considerable abandon one’s sensual passions was so fundamentally at odds with the moral standards of his own Arab contemporaries that only the ultimate authority could, and did, sanction it.

March 29, 2010 at 2:48 am
It is well established that by the time of his death, ‘Allah’ permitted Mohammed to have sex with any woman at all. This probably led to his death due to poisoning by his closest friends. In this, he is no different from many other cult leaders who were promiscuous, stealing the wives of their followers.
Polygamy is misogyny. Sex slavery (which Mohammed practiced and encouraged) is misogyny. Raping captive women is misogyny. Gender apartheid is misogyny. Telling women to breast feed grown men (valid hadiths) is misogyny.
Islam makes women half-human. Islam is pure misogyny through and through.
March 29, 2010 at 8:04 am
Most “orthodox” sects in religions are mysogyn: mysigyny is a political trend to rob women from practising politics and be involved in decision making and acquiring power in the structure of society. You have to study the context in every case; that what I am doing and disseminating. Your comments are not within the realm of a reflecting man; a man who reads and continue his education for fairer discussions.