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British Muslim woman detained under terror laws:

Cabin crew report her reading Syrian art book on plane

On her honeymoon flight

Questioned under the Terrorism Act

Exclusive: Airline urged to apologise after honeymooner ‘made to feel like a culprit’

A Muslim NHS worker was detained at a UK airport and questioned under terror laws after a cabin crew member spotted her reading a Syrian culture book on board her honeymoon flight.

Faizah Shaheen, who helps prevent teenage mental health patients from becoming radicalised, was returning from honeymoon in Marmaris, Turkey, when she was stopped by South Yorkshire Police at Doncaster Airport on 25 July.


Faziah Shaheen was quizzed under terror laws after Thomson Airways cabin crew saw her reading a book about Syrian art on her honeymoon flight

The 27-year-old was pulled over because a Thomson Airways cabin crew member on her outbound flight a fortnight earlier had reported her for suspicious behavior.

Police officers questioned her for 15 minutes under Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act and told her the suspicions related to the holiday book she had been reading – Syria Speaks: Art and Culture from the Frontline.

The award-winning book by Malu Halasa is a collection of essays, short stories, poems, songs, cartoons and photographs from Syrian authors and artists.

Ms Shaheen, from Leeds, said she was left angry and in tears by the experience – and with a feeling she had been discriminated because of her faith.

She said she now intends to make formal complaints against the police and Thomson Airways.

She said: “I was completely innocent – I was made to feel like a culprit.”

Recalling the incident, she said: “I was queuing at passport control and saw police staring at me. I just got through passport control and then two police officers approached me and took me aside and asked me to show my passport again.

“I asked what was going on and they said I had been reported due to a book I was reading and was to be questioned under the Terrorism Act.

“I became very angry and upset. I couldn’t understand how reading a book could cause people to suspect me like this. I told the police that I didn’t think it was right or acceptable.”

She was given an information leaflet explaining that Schedule 7 legislation is used by police to determine whether a person appears to be or has been involved in terrorism.

“I was asked what I do,” she said. “I told them I work as a child and adolescent mental health services practitioner for the NHS.

“Ironically, a part of my job role is working on anti-radicalisation and assessing vulnerable young people with mental health problems are at risk of being radicalised.

“I said that to the police. I’m actually part of trying to fight radicalisation and breaking the stereotypes.

“It was a very hurtful experience to go through,” she said. “I fight for different causes and then to be victimised and experience this first-hand and made me realise how bad it is.

“Instead of reminiscing about our honeymoon I am left talking about this experience.

“I do question if whether it would be different if it was someone who wasn’t Muslim.”

The book she was reading was the winner of an English PEN award. Ms Shaheen bought it after it was recommended to her at Bradford literature festival in May.

Labour MP Keith Vaz, who chairs the Home Affairs Committee, said the airline had overreacted. (overreacted?)

He said: “In the current climate people are worried. But there is always a balance to be struck in circumstances of this kind. We want the public to report suspicious activity.

“Reasonable people would not regard reading a book on Syria on its own, without any other concerns, as warranting the questioning of an individual. Thomson Airways should accept that a mistake was made and apologise to the woman concerned. I am sure if they had done so there would have been a better understanding of the entire situation.” (Cabin crew Not reasonable people?)


The award-winning ‘Syria Speaks: Art and Culture from the Frontline’ by Malu Halasa

Thomson Airways said its crew are compelled to report any concerns as a precaution, but it understood Ms Shaheen’s frustration.

A spokesman said in a statement: “Our crew undergo general safety and security awareness training on a regular basis. As part of this they are encouraged to be vigilant and share any information or questions with the relevant authorities.

“We appreciate that in this instance Ms Shaheen may have felt that overcaution had been exercised. However, like all airlines, our crew are trained to report any concerns they may have as a precaution.“

A spokeswoman for South Yorkshire Police said: “On 25 July, 2016, officers from South Yorkshire Police stopped and examined a woman under Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000 at Doncaster Airport.

“She was not arrested, she was held for 15 minutes and was subsequently released.”

Member of Clowns without Borders:

Sabine Choukeir instituted ClownMe-In

Sabine Choukeir has visited most refugee camps several times in Greece, Germany, Lebanon…

And created the group Caravanat that encourage refugee children and youth to tell their stories and act.

The Caravanat scheduled a long tour in Lebanon, visiting dozens of towns

Cynthia Choucair shared this link. March 25 ·

When I asked her about her job, she laughed a little and said, “I am a a clown, and this is the only thing that I am good at in my life.” So, I laughed with her…

سابين شقير، فنانة لبنانية بفقاقيع هوائية


سابين شقير. Photo Fanack

عندما سألتها ما هي مهنتها، ضحكت قليلاً ثم أجابت “أنا مهرجة وهذا الشيئ الوحيد الذي أحترفه في الحياة.” ضحكت معها أيضاً، فقد يعتبر البعض أن التهريج لا يمكن أن يكون عملاً مستداماً يستمر معنا طوال حياتنا، لكن لسابين هذه الفنانة التي تعشق عملها رؤية ونظرة مختلفة.

ولدت سابين شقير في شهر يناير من عام 1982 في بيروت – لبنان من عائلة صغيرة مؤلفة من شقيق وشقيقة. تلقت دروسها الإبتدائية والثانوية في مدرسة القلبين الأقدسين في بكفيا ثم الحدد. وفي العام 1999 نجحت سابين في إمتحان الدخول إلى الجامعة اللبنانية، كلية الفنون الجميلة قسم المسرح. لا تعرف سابين كيف تجد كلمات تصف بها قرارها هذا بدراسة المسرح، إذ تعتبر هذا عشقها منذ الصغر. فبهلاوانة البيت كما يحب والدها تسميتها، ما زالت كما كانت طفلة مليئة بالحياة والنشاط وشابة حالمة، حيث أخبرتنا “درست المسرح لأنني أحب جعل الناس يحلمون.” فسابين شقير ولدت وترعرت خلال الحرب الأهلية اللبنانية (1975-1990) وكان الحلم يومها طريقها الوحيد إلى الحياة.

تتلمذت شقير في الجامعة على يد أهم وأبرز أساتذة المسرح يومها في لبنان. ولعل أستاذة المسرح والإيماء الممثلة عيدا صبرا كان لها التأثير الأكبر والأبرز على قرارات شقير المسرحية. ففن الإيماء، هذا الفن الصامت نادى شقير بعظمته. حزمت حقائبها مع مطلع الألفية الثانية وسافرت إلى لندن حيث تخصصت فيه في “دسموند جونز للإيماء،” وخلال دراستها بدأت تشعر سابين أن الإيماء ليس هو ما تطمح إليه وما تبغيه في الحياة. فالبنسبة لها هذا الفن يمكن أن يوصلها إلى مكان ثابت غير متحرك وهي كانت بحاجة في تلك الفترة إلى فنٍ نابضٍ بالإحساس وبالحياة إستجابة للنداء الذي كان يحاكيها منذ الصغر بجعل الناس يحلمون، وهل أفضل من القصص لتحقيق هذا الهدف؟ لم يكن من الصعب على سابين إتخاذ القرار الذي قد يُغير مجرى حياتها، فدخلت المدرسة الدولية لفنون العرض في لندن لتدرس فن التهريج ورواية القصص (الحكواتي) .

تعتبر سابين أن الإنسان بطبعه بحاجة لسماع القصص، فشهرزاد، الملكة الأسطورية، نجحت في إنقاذ حياتها من خلال القصص، ومن منا لم يسمع الحكايات قبل النوم لينعم بليلةٍ دافئة حالمة، تلك الحكايات التي تنمي قدرة الإبداع عند الإنسان، تلك القصص التي تساعدنا في كثيرٍ من الأحيان على تخطي واقعنا المرير، وهل أفضل من المهرج كي يقص علينا كل تلك القصص، تقول سابين.

ليس المهرج بالنسبة لسابين هو ذاك الذي يضع أنفه الأحمر فحسب، بالنسبة لها، هو تلك الطفولة الموجودة في كل شخص منا. “تلك الطفولة التي نسعى في كل مرة إلى قتلها وطمرها . تأتي هي لمساعدتنا على إعادة إخراجها إلى الحياة، فتسعادنا للتعامل براحة أكبر مع مشاكل الحياة اليومية التي تعترضنا.”

بناءً على هذا ومع كل الصعوبات والمشاكل التي تعترض الإنسان يومياً، أيقنت سابين أن رسالتها ستكون أبعد من مجرد فن الإيماء، بل سيحتاج عملها إلى الكثير من الأشخاص في القريب العاجل. دفعها هذا للتوجه إلى “إيست سايد إنستيتيوت” في نيويورك حيث حصلت على شهادة في العلاج النفسي الإجتماعي. وفي يناير2007 عادت سابين إلى وطنها الأم لبنان لتبدأ من هنا مشوارها الصعب على أرض الواقع .

المهنة الإنسانية لسابين

Sabine Choucair clown

فرقة “كلون مي إن” الذي أسستها الفنانة اللبنانية سابين شقير. Photo Fanack

البداية كانت قاسية وصعبة جداً، فلبنان الغارق بأزاماته ومشاكله لم يتمكن من استيعاب العمل الذي تقدمه شقير بسرعة. فمن أصل ستين إقتراح مشروع قدمته سابين لجمعيات ومؤسسات داعمة لم تلقى آذاناً صاغية أو من يهتم بعملها. وهي التي لا تعرف إنجاز أي عمل آخر غادرت لبنان من جديد في عام 2009 لتلاقي صديقتها في المكسيك. وهناك قررت مع صديقتها الشروع بورش عمل، فوضعت أنفها الأحمر وبدأت تجول في الشوارع من بلد إلى بلد، منذ عام 2009 وحتى اليوم، من الهند إلى البرازيل وصولاً إلى كندا، وبهذه الطريقة بدأت سابين تأسيس فرقتها “كلون مي إن” التي أصبحت تضم اليوم أكثر من عشرة مهرجين يزرعون البسمة أينما حلوا .

تختار سابين المواضيع التي تريد معالجتها مع فريقها بدقة وعناية، تستعين بأنفها الأحمر لتشتم رائحة المشاكل والصعوبات التي تحيط بهم . فقبل أسابيع قليلة من بدء أزمة النفايات في لبنان في يوليو 2015، وتراكم الأكياس في شوارع المدينة، قدمت شقير مع أصدقائها عرضاً تفاعلياً في شوارع مدينة بيروت موضوعه عدم إهتمام اللبناني ببيئته ومحيطه ورميه للنفايات بطريقة عشوائية دون الاعتماد على الفرز من المصدر.

عرضٌ أضحك المارة والمشاهدين، لكنه أنذر بقرب وصول العاصفة ، وها هم اللبنانيون اليوم يغرقون في الروائح الكريهة .

وبالتزامن مع تأسيس فرقتها قامت سابين بورشات عمل في فن التهريج والدعم النفسي الإجتماعي مع شباب وأطفال من لبنان والمغرب والأردن ودبي ولندن والولايات المتحدة والهند والبرازيل والمكسيك وفرنسا والكاميرون. ودون أن تنتظر قدومهم إليها، قررت هي أن تذهب إليهم.

غيّرت سابين نظرتها إلى الحياة بعد أن انخرطت بالعمل الإجتماعي مع الشباب الذين يتعاطون المخدرات. هم في ريعان عمرهم مدمرون يائسون، لذا قدمت عروضها لتضحكهم ولتساعدهم في الوقت عينه على التخلي عن مشاكلهم والإنطلاق نحو حياة أكثر بساطة وأكثر فرحاً.

ورغم كل الجهود التي وضعتها سابين شقير في سبيل مساعدة الآخرين، ونشاطها الدائم منذ أكثر من عشرة أعوام، لم يأخذ عملها الإجتماعي مداه إلا مع بدء الحرب السورية عام 2011، وبدء ما سمي بأزمة اللاجئين بعد تدفق أكثر من مليون سوري إلى لبنان. وبسبب هذه المأساة والوضع غير المستقر في سوريا المنكوبة بالحرب، أيقنت شقير عندها أن الوقت قد حان لمساعدة الشريحة الأكبر من الناس، فقررت التعاون مع جمعية بيروت دي سي الثقافية وبدعمٍ من الاتحاد الأوروبي واليونيسيف في لبنان. وبعد زيارات عديدة قامت بها إلى مخيمات اللاجئين السوريين والفلسطنيين بين البقاع وبيروت، قررت سابين أن تقود ورشة عمل تحت عنوان “رؤية الذات،” لتساعد من خلاله وفي الإطار نفسه المراهقين الشباب ضحايا الحرب والعنف العائلي والإجتماعي على التعبير عن ذاتهم وكتابة قصصهم وتحوليها إلى أفلام وثائقية قصيرة بمساعدة مخرجين متخصصين في المجال. أنتجت ورشة العمل هذه حوالي تسعة عشر فيلماً وثائقياً قصيراً شاركوا في مهرجانات سينمائية مهمة حول العالم وحاز البعض منها على جوائز، لكن الأهم من كل ذلك، أن هذه الأفلام ساعدت أصحابها الذين مروا بظروف صعبة جداً على تخطي مشاكلهم .

Sabine Choucair and Syrian refugees

سابين شقير أثناء ترفيهها عن اللاجئين السوريين في جزيرة لسفوس اليونانية. Photo Fanack

عندما كانت سابين تعمل مع هؤلاء الأطفال، كانت تظن أن هذا أقصى وضعٍ إجتماعي يمكن أن تعمل به، ولكن مع بدء أزمة تدفق اللاجئين السوريين إلى اليونان، تلقت سابين طلباً من جمعية “مهرجون بلا حدود،“. قدمت سابين مشروع عمل إجتماعي في لبنان لكنها كانت تدرك جيداً أن اليونان، وبالتحديد جزيرة لسفوس، هي المكان الأنسب لعملها، فحزمت حقائبها ومضت إلى هناك .

لا يمكن لسابين أن تتحدث بسهولة عن تجربتها على تلك الجزيرة، سوريون لاجئون يأتون من كل حدب وصوب هاربون من الموت، أطفالاً ونساءً وشباباً رأوا الموت بأعيونهم، ورأوا أقاربهم يموتون في عرض البحر. كانوا يُصّلون ويظنون أنهم وصلوا إلى أوروبا حتى يدركوا سريعاً أنهم ما زالوا على جزيرة صغيرة والطريق أمامهم طويلة.

“لم يضحك أحدٌ في ذلك المكان، حتى المساعدين الإجتماعيين كانوا في حالة صدمة، كنا الوحيدين الذين نضحك ونحاول إضحاك الجميع،” تُضيف سابين.

لا تخاف شقير على نفسها رغم كل المشاهدات التي تراها والمآسي التي تلتقيها من أن تصبح شخصاً تعيساً مع الوقت، بل على العكس، فهي تزرع الفرح على وجوه هؤلاء الناس. تضحك من قلبها لتضحكهم ولتزيل الحزن من داخل قلوبهم.

لسوء الحظ، ليس هناك ما يوثق أعمال شقير الفنية، ذلك أنها فنانة بلا ريشة ولا قلم ولا كاميرا، فهي تستعين فقط بأنفها الأحمر، وبتنورتها المزركشة وفقاقيعها الهوائية لتقدم عرضها. وحده من يشاهد تهريجها مباشرةً يمكنه أن يستمتع بفنها، لذا قد لا تدخل التاريخ أسوةً بأعظم الفنانين، لكن صورتها ستبقى في عيون كل من شاهدها وأضحكته من قلبه .

تستعد سابين اليوم لإطلاق “الكرفانة،” مشروعٌ جديد من مسرح الشارع التفاعلي الذي سيجول في الأراضي اللبنانية. فأفكار عروض سابين مبنية على قصص لاجئين سوريين تقوم بتسجيلها حالياً (استمعوا للقصص وتابعوا مدونتها). كل ما تتمناه سابين اليوم هو أن يلاقيها العديد في العمل التطوعي الإجتماعي، فالعمل كثير والمتطوعون قليلون .


Willful blindness?

Gayla Benefield was just doing her job — until she uncovered an awful secret about her hometown that meant its mortality rate was 80 times higher than anywhere else in the US.

But when she tried to tell people about it, she learned an even more shocking truth: People didn’t want to know.

In a talk that’s part history lesson, part call-to-action, Margaret Heffernan demonstrates the danger of willful blindness, and praises ordinary people like Benefield who are willing to speak up.

Margaret Heffernan. Management thinker

The former CEO of five businesses, Margaret Heffernan explores the all-too-human thought patterns — like conflict avoidance and selective blindness — that lead organizations and managers astray. Full bio
Filmed March 2013
In the northwest corner of the United States, right up near the Canadian border, there’s a little town called Libby, Montana, and it’s surrounded by pine trees and lakes and just amazing wildlife and these enormous trees that scream up into the sky.
And in there is a little town called Libby, which I visited, which feels kind of lonely, a little isolated.  In Libby, Montana, there’s a rather unusual woman named Gayla Benefield. She always felt a little bit of an outsider, although she’s been there almost all her life, a woman of Russian extraction.
She told me when she went to school, she was the only girl who ever chose to do mechanical drawing. Later in life, she got a job going house to house reading utility meters — gas meters, electricity meters.
She was doing the work in the middle of the day, and one thing particularly caught her notice, which was, in the middle of the day she met a lot of men who were at home, middle aged, late middle aged, and a lot of them seemed to be on oxygen tanks.
It struck her as strange. Then, a few years later, her father died at the age of 59, five days before he was due to receive his pension. He’d been a miner.
Patsy Z shared this link

Willful blindness is a legal concept which means, if there’s information that you could know and you should know but you somehow manage Not to know, the law deems that you’re willfully blind. You have chosen not to know…|By Margaret Heffernan
She thought he must just have been worn out by the work. But then a few years later, her mother died, and that seemed stranger still, because her mother came from a long line of people who just seemed to live forever.
In fact, Gayla’s uncle is still alive to this day, and learning how to waltz. It didn’t make sense that Gayla’s mother should die so young. It was an anomaly, and she kept puzzling over anomalies. And as she did, other ones came to mind. She remembered, for example, when her mother had broken a leg and went into the hospital, and she had a lot of x-rays, and two of them were leg x-rays, which made sense, but six of them were chest x-rays, which didn’t.
She puzzled and puzzled over every piece of her life and her parents’ life, trying to understand what she was seeing. She thought about her town. The town had a vermiculite mine in it.
Vermiculite was used for soil conditioners, to make plants grow faster and better. Vermiculite was used to insulate lofts, huge amounts of it put under the roof to keep houses warm during the long Montana winters.
Vermiculite was in the playground. It was in the football ground. It was in the skating rink. What she didn’t learn until she started working this problem is vermiculite is a very toxic form of asbestos.
When she figured out the puzzle, she started telling everyone she could what had happened, what had been done to her parents and to the people that she saw on oxygen tanks at home in the afternoons. But she was really amazed.
She thought, when everybody knows, they’ll want to do something, but actually nobody wanted to know. In fact, she became so annoying as she kept insisting on telling this story to her neighbors, to her friends, to other people in the community, that eventually a bunch of them got together and they made a bumper sticker, which they proudly displayed on their cars, which said, Yes, I’m from Libby, Montana, and no, I don’t have asbestosis.”
But Gayla didn’t stop. She kept doing research. The advent of the Internet definitely helped her. She talked to anybody she could. She argued and argued, and finally she struck lucky when a researcher came through town studying the history of mines in the area, and she told him her story, and at first, he didn’t believe her, but he went back to Seattle and he did his own research and he realized that she was right.
now she had an ally. Nevertheless, people still didn’t want to know. They said things like,
Well, if it were really dangerous, someone would have told us.”
“If that’s really why everyone was dying, the doctors would have told us.”
Some of the guys used to do very heavy jobs said, “I don’t want to be a victim. I can’t possibly be a victim, and anyway, every industry has its accidents.”
But still Gayla went on, and finally she succeeded in getting a federal agency to come to town and to screen the inhabitants of the town — 15,000 people — and what they discovered was that the town had a mortality rate 80 times higher than anywhere in the United States.
That was in 2002, and even at that moment, no one raised their hand to say, “Gayla, look in the playground where your grandchildren are playing. It’s lined with vermiculite.” This wasn’t ignorance. It was willful blindness.
Willful blindness is a legal concept which means, if there’s information that you could know and you should know but you somehow manage not to know, the law deems that you’re willfully blind. You have chosen not to know.
There’s a lot of willful blindness around these days.
You can see willful blindness in banks, when thousands of people sold mortgages to people who couldn’t afford them.
You could see them in banks when interest rates were manipulated and everyone around knew what was going on, but everyone studiously ignored it.
You can see willful blindness in the Catholic Church, where decades of child abuse went ignored.
You could see willful blindness in the run-up to the Iraq War.
Willful blindness exists on epic scales like those, and it also exists on very small scales, in people’s families, in people’s homes and communities, and particularly in organizations and institutions. Companies that have been studied for willful blindness can be asked questions like, Are there issues at work that people are afraid to raise?”
And when academics have done studies like this of corporations in the United States, what they find is 85% of people say yes. Eighty-five percent of people know there’s a problem, but they won’t say anything.
And when I duplicated the research in Europe, asking all the same questions, I found exactly the same number. Eighty-five percent. That’s a lot of silence. It’s a lot of blindness.
And what’s really interesting is that when I go to companies in Switzerland, they tell me, “This is a uniquely Swiss problem.”
And when I go to Germany, they say, “Oh yes, this is the German disease.” And when I go to companies in England, they say, “Oh, yeah, the British are really bad at this.”
And the truth is, this is a human problem. We’re all, under certain circumstances, willfully blind.
What the research shows is that some people are blind out of fear. They’re afraid of retaliation. And some people are blind because they think, seeing anything is just futile. Nothing’s ever going to change.
If we make a protest, if we protest against the Iraq War, nothing changes, so why bother? Better not to see this stuff at all. And the recurrent theme that I encounter all the time is people say, “Well, you know, the people who do see, they’re whistleblowers, and we all know what happens to them.”
So there’s this profound mythology around whistleblowers which says, first of all, they’re all crazy. But what I’ve found going around the world and talking to whistleblowers is, actually, they’re very loyal and quite often very conservative people. They’re hugely dedicated to the institutions that they work for, and the reason that they speak up, the reason they insist on seeing, is because they care so much about the institution and want to keep it healthy.
And the other thing that people often say about whistleblowers is, “Well, there’s no point, because you see what happens to them. They are crushed. Nobody would want to go through something like that.”
Yet, when I talk to whistleblowers, the recurrent tone that I hear is pride. I think of Joe Darby. We all remember the photographs of Abu Ghraib, which so shocked the world and showed the kind of war that was being fought in Iraq. But I wonder who remembers Joe Darby, the very obedient, good soldier who found those photographs and handed them in. And he said, “You know, I’m not the kind of guy to rat people out, but some things just cross the line. Ignorance is bliss, they say, but you can’t put up with things like this.”
I talked to Steve Bolsin, a British doctor, who fought for 5 years to draw attention to a dangerous surgeon who was killing babies. And I asked him why he did it, and he said, “Well, it was really my daughter who prompted me to do it. She came up to me one night, and she just said, ‘Dad, you can’t let the kids die.'”
Or I think of Cynthia Thomas, a really loyal army daughter and army wife, who, as she saw her friends and relations coming back from the Iraq War, was so shocked by their mental condition and the refusal of the military to recognize and acknowledge post-traumatic stress syndrome that she set up a cafe in the middle of a military town to give them legal, psychological and medical assistance.
And she said to me, “You know, Margaret, I always used to say I didn’t know what I wanted to be when I grow up. But I’ve found myself in this cause, and I’ll never be the same.”
We all enjoy so many freedoms today, hard-won freedoms: the freedom to write and publish without fear of censorship, a freedom that wasn’t here the last time I came to Hungary; a freedom to vote, which women in particular had to fight so hard for; the freedom for people of different ethnicities and cultures and sexual orientation to live the way that they want.
But freedom doesn’t exist if you don’t use it, and what whistleblowers do, and what people like Gayla Benefield do is they use the freedom that they have. And what they’re very prepared to do is recognize that yes, this is going to be an argument, and yes I’m going to have a lot of rows with my neighbors and my colleagues and my friends, but I’m going to become very good at this conflict.
I’m going to take on the naysayers, because they’ll make my argument better and stronger. I can collaborate with my opponents to become better at what I do.
These are people of immense persistence, incredible patience, and an absolute determination not to be blind and not to be silent. When I went to Libby, Montana, I visited the asbestosis clinic that Gayla Benefield brought into being, a place where at first some of the people who wanted help and needed medical attention went in the back door because they didn’t want to acknowledge that she’d been right.
I sat in a diner, and I watched as trucks drove up and down the highway, carting away the earth out of gardens and replacing it with fresh, uncontaminated soil.
I took my 12-year-old daughter with me, because I really wanted her to meet Gayla. And she said, “Why? What’s the big deal?” I said, “She’s not a movie star, and she’s not a celebrity, and she’s not an expert, and Gayla’s the first person who’d say she’s not a saint. The really important thing about Gayla is she is ordinary. She’s like you, and she’s like me. She had freedom, and she was ready to use it.” .




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