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No full sovereignty darling Abbass, and you knew it, and Obama also told you to bug off…

Israel’s insistence on ongoing security precautions in the West Bank does not constitute an insurmountable obstacle to Palestinian statehood and sovereignty, Justice Minister Tzipi Livni told The Times of Israel.

But it was always clear, from the start of negotiations, she added, that due to Israel’s security needs a Palestinian state would not enjoy “full and complete sovereignty.”

In an interview ahead of Rosh Hashanah, Livni, who led Israel’s negotiating team in this year’s failed negotiations with the Palestinian Authority, said the collapse of the peace process was deeply disappointing, but that it was “not too late” to restart talks. (The full interview appears here.)

“Always, from the first day of the negotiations, it was clear that any agreement (on Palestinian statehood) would not include full and complete sovereignty,” the Hatnua party leader said.

“We are speaking in terms of a sovereign Palestinian state, but it’s clear that the sovereign Palestinian state must accept limitations. Certainly demilitarization. By the way, that’s also what we’re demanding now for Gaza. Limitations and arrangements that will ensure, in the long term, that no threat is created of the kind we have been witnessing.”

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, she went on, had accepted the need for a demilitarized Palestinian state, “though there’s an argument about what demilitarization entails… That’s why you negotiate. This all has operational expression on the ground: How is it overseen? Who’s at the border crossings? Who deploys along the border?”

Then-foreign minister Tzipi Livni with Mahmoud Abbas, president of the Palestinian Authority, at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, September, 2008 (photo credit: AP Photo /Keystone/Alessandro della Valle)

Then-foreign minister Tzipi Livni with Mahmoud Abbas, president of the Palestinian Authority, at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, September, 2008 (photo credit: AP Photo /Keystone/Alessandro della Valle)

Livni was clarifying Israel’s position in the wake of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s declarations this summer about the imperative to maintain Israeli security oversight in the West Bank under any agreement with the PA.

“Germany also took upon itself military restrictions after World War II. To this day, there’s a British military base in Cyprus. Sinai is demilitarized in accordance with the Israel-Egypt peace agreement,” Livni said. “Therefore the idea that there is a necessary contradiction between Israel’s security and Palestinian sovereignty is incorrect. They get the state and, by virtue of their independence, they take upon themselves certain limitations. One goes with the other.”

The justice minister also revealed details of what she said was an initiative agreed upon with the Palestinians to foster a “culture of peace” on both sides — a bid to change the tone and content of media, religious leaders’ statements, education, and more — in order to create a climate that would encourage compromise. “We had an agreed text,” she said. “Had we extended the talks (last spring), I think we were going to implement (the initiative) during the extended negotiations.”

Speaking days before Abbas was set to address the UN General Assembly, with an anticipated demand that Israel be required to set a timetable for withdrawing from the West Bank, Livni criticized the PA leader for turning to the UN rather than continuing peace negotiations with Israel.

Abbas had taken the easier route of going to the UN and forgoing negotiations, she charged, “because in negotiations you have to pay a price and concede things, whereas when you go to the UN, you can get everything you want.” (Apparently, Israel feels no obligations to concede anything)

“But it won’t give you a state,” she warned. “There’s no state via the UN.” (Why? Because of the US perpetual veto?)

She also said she was sorry the US had chosen not make public the framework document it drew up “which provided answers on all the core issues” of dispute between Israel and the Palestinians.

“It was very fair. It gave expression to both sides… We wanted to advance the negotiations on that basis. Israel essentially accepted this framework,” she said, while Abbas did not. “I have grievances with him — over how the negotiations ended, over his turning to the UN, his joining up with Hamas, in the Palestinian unity government.” (All along, Israel claimed that Abbas cannot deliver because the Palestinians had no unified government. Now, it is not possible simply because they united)

Livni expressed profound concern that the anti-Israel public opinion in the Arab world was also spreading to Europe, and partially blamed the settlement enterprise.

“The problem is that what we’ve seen in the Arab world — where public opinion is anti-Israel and it is very hard for the leaderships to deal with — is also happening now in Europe,” she said. “I have discussions with world leaders. It’s very hard for them. They say, ‘We understand why you have to hit Hamas. We’re with you. But the issue of the settlements renders Israel incomprehensible and shorn of credibility when it says it wants peace.’”

“In the eyes of Europe, the European street,” she went on, “the settlement enterprise is a kind of old-style colonialism. Not self-defense, which would be acceptable.

“That mix is not good for Israel,” she stressed. “I seek to ensure that we retain the legitimacy to defend ourselves against those extremist terrorist forces. And Israel’s policy as regards what it wants in these areas (of peacemaking and settlements) is not clear. And ultimately that harms Israel’s security.”

She said that she does not share the ideology “that believes we need to stay in all of the Land of Israel.” And “to the best of my knowledge,” she added, “the prime minister does not share that ideology.”

Regarding international attitudes to Israel over this summer’s conflict with Hamas, the justice minister said, “I don’t expect the world not to judge us. It should judge us — but on the same basis as it judges itself or any democracy. Fatalities on the Palestinian side are accidental, after we have made every effort to prevent them. By contrast, the terrorists are deliberately aiming at civilians. And I expect the world to make that distinction.” (How in denial!)

Unfortunately, she went on, “as time passes since the establishment of Israel, what was taken for granted in 1948 is no longer taken for granted. We see ourselves, satellite view, as a tiny state surrounded by enemies. The world looks from the Google Earth perspective, and sees a soldier with his weapon and a Palestinian boy or girl. And that viewpoint is deepening. It is a skewed picture of the conflict. The sorrow over seeing civilians killed, a sorrow that I share, skews the judicial perspective of the reality.”

Note: Abbass did visit Obama and he turned his suggestion down for a Palestinian State. Abbass addressed the UN and demanded a timetable for a Palestinian State. It is not in Israel ideology to give Palestinians any kinds of recognition: They still insist on calling them “Arabs“.

Why Israel went to war in 2006? (October 18, 2008)

I have been reading “Israel in state of chock” by Frederic Pons and many other manuscripts on the subject. Even the Winograd report and the other two reports didn’t dare state directly or clearly why Israel went to war in July 12, 2006; maybe the full reports did but were not released to the general public.

The way I see the big picture of the main reason Israel went to war against Hezbollah in July 2006 is that this war was not based on any strategic gain neither politically nor militarily at the time; there are indications that the Bush Administration and Chief of Staff Haloutz were readying a full scale war around September.  The crux of the matter was that many ministers in the Olmert Administrations were seriously implicated judiciary for financial and moral wrong doings and they hoped that a striking military victory, in this golden opportunity offered to them, would restore their political credibility or at least restrain the legal procedures raised in their cases.

For example, Ehud Olmert was already facing investigation for financial conflict of interest, the Justice Minister Haim Ramon was indicted of sexual harassment, the President Moshe Katsav was investigated for cases of rape, the minister of finance Avraham Hirschon accepted dubious transfer of funds destined to the syndicate Histadrout and the Chief of Staff Halouz wanted to make profit by selling his judiciously invested stock shares before the announcement of war. To exacerbate matters, the Defense minister Amir Peretz was totally ignorant in military affairs and didn’t do his military service too and Haloutz and his inner circle of officers had already a detailed plan for air strikes in coordination with the US air command; Haloutz wanted “his war” and to prove the superiority of his strategy relying solely on air power; and mostly to make lots of profit with his closest allies in the military industrial complex for the replenishment of the military arsenal. Thus, the restricted war group of seven ministers didn’t include ministers of expertise in military matters such as Shaul Mofaz or Benjamin Ben Eliezer or the minister of the interior that could contribute in their opinions and would ultimately be most directly implicated in war and its aftermath such as the minister of Foreign Affairs Tzipi Livni.

The military in Israel was not “prepared” or ready for war simply because society and the younger generations had other more urgent difficulties to worry about.  More than 25% of the eligible individuals to be drafted for their 3 years term avoided the call for military service, especially the most educated and living in large cities and the ultra-orthodox Israelites.  The reservists had made it a habit to skip their 40-day service per year because of lax regulations on account that the army wanted to save on its budget.  The so-called Home Front was totally neglected and no resources were allocated to social services or to improve conditions for any long term war situation. More than 2 million Israelites fled the areas targeted by katyousha rockets and the elderly and poor fresh immigrants from Ethiopia and Belarusian were left out without any government support for 33 days.

Israel used to hammer the concept that the “Arabs” do not read Israel’s newspapers; otherwise its “democratic” free press would have divulged the intentions of Israel against the Arab States.  Nowadays, it seems that the former generations in Israel failed to read the manuscripts of their Founding Fathers; if they did they would have discovered that Hertzel, Wiseman, Sassoon and others had made deals with the colonial powers of Britain and France to settle the Jews in Palestine and in return to play cops and keep the Near East States, after their independence, divided and preventing this important geo-political region from uniting.

Britain wanted to save on any tax impositions on her commerce with India and to keep the flow of goods cheap at any circumstances.  The colonial powers had this strategy from the 17th century. The USA was glad of this arrangement to keep the flow of oil at a ridiculously low price.  Israel participated in the Suez invasion of 1956 along side Britain and France to satisfy its part of the deal and because France has offered Israel its first nuclear reactor.  Israel has over 300 nuclear head bombs; why so many and for what purpose if it is not to be launched far away from its tiny borders?

If the former generations in Israel were voracious readers they would have packed and left this dangerous area long time ago. The mothers and fathers of the fallen Israeli soldiers and civilians would not have to mourn their deaths in over five offensive wars for a chimerical objective.  I think that the times have changed and only those mercenaries happy to resume their favorite hobby of soldiers and sergeants would remain in Israel within this decade. It is hoped that the new Israeli generation is reading at the sources and would not wait any longer for this masquerade of their military industrial complex to abuse of their naïve fundamental religious beliefs.


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